shhh.... (?)

topic posted Fri, November 21, 2003 - 4:01 PM by  Heidealistic
Y'all are pretty quiet for social deviants.

Doesn't anyone have some muck to rake?

What's made you feel deviant lately?
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    Mon, December 15, 2003 - 8:22 PM
    hmm yea, this tribe is pretty dead!
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      Tue, December 16, 2003 - 6:41 AM
      We are all out doing deviant things....
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        Tue, December 16, 2003 - 7:32 AM
        I agree, what else could you expect from us? What are you out doing that is deviant?
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          Tue, December 16, 2003 - 12:49 PM
          It's deviant & cliche at the same time. 'Tis the season for holiday entertaining, and I was at a holiday & end of semester party. Got too drunk, etc. let my hair, pants, etc. down. We were standing outside & smoking cigarrettes, the subject of tattoos came up. "Who has tattoos?" Went inside to show them off only to realize later I was the only one who did.

          I was telling someone the other day though that monogamous people make me nervous anymore. I'm anxious that I'll say something that will make them uncomfortable, and not quite able to guarantee I won't.

          At the same time, I feel a strange desire to blow their paradigms apart, too...

          Sometimes it's accidental, but I often say things that seem to make people a little uncomfortable.
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            Tue, December 16, 2003 - 3:36 PM
            "monogamous people make me nervous anymore. I'm anxious that I'll say something that will make them uncomfortable, and not quite able to guarantee I won't."

            That's a bit prejudicial, don't you think? It seems to me that monogamy is not only every bit as valid a choice as polygamy, but is arguably much more common in humans. Personally, I'm (basically) monogamous for a few key reasons of which I'm very consciously aware: 1) while I trust the intentions of those whom I love, experience has taught me that these same people can't always be counted upon to exercise what I would consider good judgement; it only takes one weak link in the chain to risk passing potentially deadly diseases, cause hurt feelings, etc., 2) more romantic entanglements = greater time requirements and generally more hassle, and I'm already pretty busy most of the time (so, anyone else I'd even consider seeing would have to be very low maintenance and a really good match for it to be worth my time), and 3) I have no desire to share with other men (not terribly enlightened, perhaps, but it's who I am). That being said, I'm in no way suggesting you censor your speech around anyone (regardless of whether they are comfortable with your opinions or not), just that you reconsider your apparent revulsion at the concept of monogamy.

            "At the same time, I feel a strange desire to blow their paradigms apart, too... "

            I won't point a finger about this, as it's not uncommon for me to intentionally stir up some shit (and I do directly understand the desire to blow up someone's paradigm). But I'm sure you realize that this is really meddling, unless they've given you some opening to challenge their views.

            Actually, what I find puzzling is how you're post went from showing off tattoos to your apprehension around the monogamous. Perhaps I'm missing something.
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              Wed, December 17, 2003 - 6:30 AM
              Just the not average, not everyday chaos confusion, mayhem mixing and conformity corrosion.

              I would be more forthcoming with my posts, but it is all plans within plans within plans, within plans, etc., etc., etc....
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              Wed, December 24, 2003 - 12:11 PM
              Hi Haggie,

              In response...

              "That's a bit prejudicial, don't you think? It seems to me that monogamy is not only every bit as valid a choice as polygamy,"

              Yep, probably prejudicial. I think I can clarify, though. I think I meant "strangers who also happen to be monogamous." Not that that makes it any less prejudicial... Maybe it's just strangers who make me uncomfortable. Is that prejudiced? or just xenophobic.

              "Actually, what I find puzzling is how you're post went from showing off tattoos to your apprehension around the monogamous. Perhaps I'm missing something. "

              Yep, actually there's a little more to this story. Before I went to the party (chock full of people I barely knew but felt like it was important to connect to) Crocker & I had spent the day entertaining a new friend who is fortunately an excellent communicator. At some point during the day he shared that hanging around with a ployamorous couple made him a bit uncomfortable. He didn't know how to act, and was afraid that if he interacted with me, Crocker would feel jealousy. We ended up talking a lot about the mechanics of our relationship, and I started to feel like the lone voice for polyamory. What if I explained something wrong? Would I make him musunderstand more than I helped him understand? Later on I said to him that things were even, and that monogamous people made me uncomfortable. It felt clever, but you're right, it's not very open minded.

              And I feel I should clarify more. Of course I don't feel uncomfortable around y'all. You guys have thought about your relationship and defined it by your own terms. I know, cuz' I was there! But many people haven't done that same exploration, and that's what makes me afraid I'll push some monogamous people's buttons. (still not as open minded as I'd like to be)

              As usual in my interactions with you, sir, you've given me quite a hunk of mental fodder to chew upon. You know how much I like to examine & rid myself of as many "isms" as I can recognize. Now it seems I've found another... "relationshipism"

              "just that you reconsider your apparent revulsion at the concept of monogamy. "
              This would however be a misconception of my meaning. I'm not at all repulsed by monogamy. My only real problem with it is when I'm attracted to someone in a monogamous relationship. ;) The proverbial cookie in the jar so to speak. But I can handle that part. I have seen, watched, analyzed, appreciated and respected many successful (and even some of the unsuccessful) relationships that have been in center stage or on the sidelines of my life. One of my main mottos is "What works for you is RIGHT for you." You know I'm an ethical relativist. Any relationship that nurtures and satisfies both (or all 3 or 4 or 5) partners or at least works hard to attempt to is a beautiful thing in my book.

              Anyways, let's talk more about this later. I think it's been a while since we discussed this, and we may both have a misconception or 2 to bust open.

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